Counting climate migrants
More or Less
BBC
4.6 • 3.7K Ratings
🗓️ 31 August 2013
⏱️ 10 minutes
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Summary
Is it true that environmental problems will create 200 million migrants? Some politicians and environmentalists warn that this is the case. But migration experts say that the numbers are exaggerated. Tim Harford and Hannah Barnes investigate. This programme was first broadcast on the BBC World Service.
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| 0:00.0 | Thank you for downloading from the BBC. |
| 0:04.0 | The details of our complete range of podcasts and our terms of use go to BBCWorldService.com |
| 0:10.0 | Slash Podcasts. |
| 0:13.0 | This is the short edition of Morales, first broadcast on the BBC World Service. |
| 0:18.0 | Hello and welcome to more or less on the BBC World Service, the programme which makes |
| 0:23.0 | sense of numbers in the news and in life. I'm Tim Harford. |
| 0:27.0 | This week we take a look at what problems climate migration might pose. |
| 0:31.0 | So if we get climate change wrong, there is a very real danger we shall see levels of mass migration as yet unparalleled. |
| 0:39.0 | That's Chris Bryant, Britain's shadow immigration minister. |
| 0:43.0 | Warning that millions of people around the world will be forced to flee their homes |
| 0:47.0 | and in their droves move to countries less affected by environmental problems. |
| 0:52.0 | Now some of this has already happened. |
| 0:54.0 | The United Nations estimates that in 2008 20 million people were displaced by climate change |
| 1:01.0 | compared to 4.6 million by virtue of internal conflict or violence. |
| 1:06.0 | But much more is to come. |
| 1:08.0 | You can imagine that the UN estimates of 200 million such refugees, |
| 1:12.0 | more than the total number of worldwide migrants today, may be about right. |
| 1:17.0 | Now in fairness to Mr Bryant, he didn't just make that claim up, it did indeed come from the United Nations. |
| 1:23.0 | But we still suspect that some kind of attraction may be necessary alas. |
| 1:27.0 | Here at more or less we have a climate migration correspondent Hannah Barnes. |
| 1:31.0 | Hannah, you've done this before. You've specialised in taking the heat out of these kinds of statistics. |
| 1:35.0 | That's right, but it's not just me. |
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