You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on strategy, defense and foreign affairs.

My name is Ryan Evans. I'm the editor-in-chief of War on the Rocks.

In this not so special episode of the War on the Rocks podcast,

we are featuring an interview with my good friend Stephen Tenkel

who's the author of a new book with us and against us how America's partners help

and hinder the war on terror and it's a Columbia University press book.

And it's in paperback in a version

that is not going to like cost you a million dollars

unlike the hard copy, which is nice. Stephen has been a senior editor with War on the Rock since the very start, five years ago almost.

But Stephen, just because you've done all this free work for me for years,

why should I help you promote your book?

Because I buy you drinks. You haven't done that in a long time. Well you can actually pay rent now

Ryan. I mean you know War on the rocks is sort of semi-solvent isn't it?

Semi semi semi so all right so consider this sort of back pay for for many drinks purchased.

Okay.

Also I mean the book is friggin awesome.

Why did you put your in your bio your adjunct senior fellowship at CNAS before your senior editorship with Warren the

rocks. It's alphabetical order. That's actually not true but let's go with that.

Well I'm not still at DoD.

That's true.

All right.

So why did you write this book?

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