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🗓️ 4 September 2025
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Ten years ago, the United States Supreme Court voted to make same-sex marriage legal by five votes to four. Since then the court has reversed one landmark ruling by overturning Roe v Wade, the 1973 decision that established a right to abortion under federal law. With divisions in attitudes to gay marriages and relationships increasing - could the court rethink its decision on gay marriage?
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0:00.0 | From The Times and the Sunday Times, this is The Story. I'm Luke Jones. |
0:08.4 | Another hard-fought right in the United States, the land of the free, is starting to look uncertain. |
0:16.7 | The right to same-sex marriage in the US goes back over a decade to a man called James Obergefell |
0:23.2 | and his terminally ill partner, John Arthur. |
0:26.5 | John was one of the funniest, most well-spoken and charming people I've ever known. |
0:34.4 | He was the love of my life. |
0:36.2 | John was diagnosed with ALS. The typical time frame is |
0:39.7 | two and a half to five years before death. As time ran out for John, they decided to get married. |
0:45.9 | But living in Ohio, that was illegal. So to get hitched, they had to hop on a plane to Maryland, |
0:52.3 | where it was legal. We took an ambulance to the airport in Cincinnati, and we boarded this small medical jet, |
0:59.1 | and we flew to Baltimore, Washington International Airport. And our wedding ceremony took place in the |
1:03.9 | airplane. Jim, you have the rings? Yes. The most important thing was, I got to take John's hand, |
1:10.3 | and we got to say the words we had wanted to say for so long. |
1:13.8 | With this ring, I be wed. |
1:16.0 | With this ring, I be wet. |
1:19.4 | We'd been together almost 21 years at that point, and it changed everything. |
1:24.5 | But back home in Ohio, they realized that on John's unfortunately looming death certificate, |
1:31.8 | their marriage would not be recognized. James would not be listed as a spouse. So they did what |
1:37.5 | any good American does when they're not happy with something. They sued. |
1:42.0 | Eight days after we got married, we filed a lawsuit in federal district court, demanding that Ohio |
1:47.2 | recognize our lawful Maryland marriage on John's test certificate when he died. |
1:52.0 | We had a simple decision to make. |
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