Hello, everyone. Sarah Longwell here, publisher of the bulwark. And I'm joined by Catherine Rampel,

who writes our incredible receipts newsletter. If you're not reading this all the time, go check it out.

But we want to talk about a very non-economic topic. But because we're polling people, you and I,

we digest polls. We think about these numbers. We decided we wanted to get on and talk about a new

U-Gov poll, which asked a serious sample at 2,609 Americans. That is a good sample size,

whether they thought an eight-year-old boy, a typical American or themselves could win a physical

fight with Donald Trump.

Catherine, I don't know why YouGov decided to ask this question.

Oh, I do.

Okay.

Do you know?

Tell me why.

You don't know the background?

Because Trump was at some sort of presidential fitness test boosting event, and he, like, asked an eight-year-old boy if he thought

that he could beat him up, something like that.

I think you can take me in a fight?

I think you could.

That would be embarrassing.

So it was Trump who, you know, threw down the gantlet to begin with. And then UGov was like, let's see what America thinks because that's what UGov does. Oh my gosh. I had no idea. I thought somebody was just like, let's just, you know what it would be funny just to see whether an eight-year-old could beat Trump in a fist fight. I was like, who comes up with these

poll questions? And I thought, well, maybe there's like a deeper psychological reason. Like,

they're trying to get at the partisan way, because it does break down in funny partisan ways,

like everything else. So they were going to make a point about polarization or, okay, I want to

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