[Cosmosis] Ep 9: Daniel Elizondo on Narrative Control, The Secret Onion, and Vallée's Forbidden Science

Inquiry with Kelly Chase

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Documentary, Society & Culture, Social Sciences, Science

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🗓️ 25 April 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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In this episode, researcher and Loose Threads co-author Daniel Elizondo joins us for a far-reaching conversation about UFO secrecy, the architecture of disinformation, and the psychological terrain of the phenomenon itself. We dig into Jacques Vallée’s “Secret Onion”—a layered model of compartmentalization that explains how information is controlled and obscured within intelligence structures—and explore how narrative control operates both externally through infotainment and internally through belief, seduction, and epistemic vulnerability. Daniel breaks down the long history of rug pulls, the weaponization of mystery, and what it means to resist the gravitational pull of being “the one” to break the story. We also talk Forbidden Science, Skywatcher, and the invisible handshake between researchers and the phenomenon they seek to understand. If you’ve ever wondered who controls the narrative—or if you’re part of it—this episode is for you.📚 Resources and References Loose Threads by Daniel Elizondo and the Hermetic Penetrator Forbidden Science 6: Scattered Castles by Jacques Vallée UFOs: Past, Present, and Future by Robert Emenegger Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:https://www.cosmosis.media/Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismediaSubscribe to Cosmosis:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.PodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479dApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow CosmosisX: https://x.com/cosmosis_mediaFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfrInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.mediaListen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQApple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS02:24 Sky Watcher and UFO Community Skepticism08:48 Historical Precedents in UFO Disclosure10:30 The Holloman Air Force Base Incident14:35 Challenges in UFO Disclosure and Infotainment21:45 Personal Experiences and Intelligence Community Interactions30:58 Navigating the Insider's Club and Forbidden Science33:08 The Repeated Revelations of Jacques Vallee35:25 The Evolution of the Invisible College39:57 The Secret Onion: Layers of Secrecy49:46 The Phenomenon and Human Curiosity56:57 The Control Mechanism: Micro and Macro Perspectives01:01:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	The
0:07.0	The Welcome back to Cosmosis. I'm Jay Christopher King, along with my brilliant co-host, Kelly Chase.
0:37.0	If you're new to the show,
0:38.6	Cosmosis is a podcast that grew out of our docu-series, Cosmosis, UFOs, and a new reality. We spent
0:45.2	more than a year working on that series, and this podcast is a way of continuing that exploration.
0:51.1	It's a space for deeper conversations about contact, consciousness, and the hidden
0:55.3	architectures that shape our reality. You don't need to have seen the series to follow along here,
1:00.9	but if you're curious, you can find Cosmosis, UFOs, and a new reality streaming on Prime Video,
1:06.8	Apple TV, Vimeo, YouTube, and more. All the links are at Cosmosis.media.
1:12.8	And if you'd like to support the show and be part of this unfolding conversation,
1:17.0	you can join us on Patreon at patreon.com slash Cosmosis Media.
1:21.9	Patrons get early access to ad-free episodes,
1:24.4	behind-the-scenes content, and live Zoom calls with us and some of our guests.
1:29.0	Today, we're talking with researcher and writer Daniel Elizondo, co-author of Loose Threads, a contributor
1:35.5	to the Cosmosis docuseries, and one of the sharpest minds working at the intersection of UFO
1:40.9	secrecy, intelligence structures, and the deeper philosophical stakes of this topic.
1:47.1	We get into a lot. Infotainment and narrative control, Jacques Valet's forbidden science journals,
1:53.8	and The Secret Onion, a layered model of compartmentalization that explains a lot about how this
1:59.9	topic has been managed over the years.
2:02.6	We also talk about what it means to stay grounded in this work, about resisting the urge to
2:07.7	chase the golden ticket and learning to navigate the weird, the subtle, and the seductive
2:12.7	without losing yourself in the process. We start by picking up a thread from last week's episode, so let's get into it.
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