[Cosmosis] Ep 8: Mysterious Benefactors: Skywatcher, Gifted Tech, and the Complicated Ethics of Contact

Inquiry with Kelly Chase

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🗓️ 18 April 2025

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Fresh from the Archives of the Impossible conference at Rice University, Kelly and Jay sit down to unpack one of the most talked-about moments of the weekend—a provocative presentation by Dr. Garry Nolan on his involvement with the Skywatcher initiative. Skywatcher is an emerging public-facing effort claiming to demonstrate CE5-style contact, utilize psionic assets, with the aim of potentially reverse-engineering non-human technologies. The implications are enormous—and so are the questions. In this wide-ranging, deeply reflective conversation, Kelly and Jay explore: The strange and rapid emergence of Skywatcher and the implications for the disclosure movement The increasingly blurred lines between whistleblower testimony, media spectacle, and operational theater The question of who’s leading the charge into direct contact with non-human intelligences—and why The need to balance the objectives of science and venture capital against humanitarian, ethical, and philosophical questions in our quest for contact—and why that will almost certainly not happen. The potential cost of accelerating contact without asking the deeper metaphysical, spiritual, and cultural questions Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:https://www.cosmosis.media/Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismediaSubscribe to Cosmosis:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.PodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479dApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 02:18 Exploring Sky Watcher's Initiatives03:38 Jake Barber's Revelations05:22 CE-5 and Public Disclosure07:16 Community Reactions and Ethical Questions15:39 Garry Nolan's Scientific Perspective20:56 Technological Worldview and Ethical Implications30:03 Heidegger's Philosophy and Technology39:20 The Value of Human Life in a Technological Age40:17 The Ethical Implications of Technological Intelligence43:55 The Concept of Hyper Objects and UFO Phenomena45:54 The Great Filter and Technological Surveillance47:52 The Role of Experience in Understanding Phenomena51:19 The Spectacle and Mediated Reality56:09 Dwelling vs. Dominating: A Philosophical Approach To Contact01:05:31 The Importance of Bracketing in Phenomenology01:07:57 Balancing Speed and Methodology in Disclosure01:11:00 Concluding Thoughts and Future Directions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	The
0:07.0	The Welcome back to Cosmosis. I'm your host, Kelly Chase, along with my co-host Jay Christopher King. Jay and I recently returned
0:40.2	from the Archives of the Impossible conference at Rice University, and it was so good to be back
0:45.6	with this community, connecting, sharing ideas, and feeling the pulse of where this movement is
0:50.8	heading. There was one talk from Archives of the Impossible in particular
0:55.1	that generated a lot of discussion. In it, Dr. Gary Nolan spoke about his collaboration with
1:01.1	Skywatcher, an initiative that's been raising eyebrows with claims of CE5-style contact and even
1:07.3	alleged recovered craft. The implications are staggering, and the questions it raises
1:13.5	about disclosure, the nature of contact, and the ethics of this unfolding relationship with
1:19.0	non-human intelligences feel more urgent than ever. So in this episode, Jay and I wanted to take
1:25.6	some time to talk it all through.
1:33.4	There are no easy answers here, but that only makes the questions all the more important to ask.
1:48.0	Before we dive in, just a quick reminder that you can support this work and get early access to ad-free episodes, exclusive content, and access to our private Discord server at patreon.com slash Cosmosis Media.
1:54.9	And if you haven't already, be sure to check out our new docu-series, Cosmosis, UFOs, and a new reality,
1:59.3	now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and a ton of other platforms.
2:03.8	You can find links to all of them at cosmosis.media.
2:13.6	All right, let's get into it. This conversation picks up with Jay and I discussing why it was that Gary Nolan's presentation got so many people talking. I guess part of it is just because of the recent news that Gary has partnered with the Skywatcher crew.
2:26.1	We saw Gary in the most recent episode of Skywatcher, episode two, that kind of had its own
2:33.8	taxonomy of craft or UAP in general.
2:38.1	That came out just a couple of weeks ago.
2:40.5	And Gary was kind of referencing Skywatcher episode 2 a little bit
2:45.0	and the work that they're doing out there at their research site.
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