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Hello, and welcome to Trumpcast. I'm Virginia Heffernen.

My guest today is Laurie Garrett.

She's a former senior fellow for Global Health at the Council on Foreign Relations,

and a Pulitzer Prize winning science writer.

She's one of the ranking experts on pandemics, and I'm really excited to talk to her.

Laurie, welcome to Trumpcast.

You were pretty much the first to say, well,

two, it gives some advice to China, even about how individuals might begin to protect themselves.

And then all the way up to spotting Trump's failures before we even had a confirmed case on US

soil, you thought that this leadership had already begun to fail. Tell us how you see good

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