Cooper Stuff Ep. 228 - Bethel Controversy Erupts
Cooper Stuff Podcast
Jennifer Fleming
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🗓️ 27 January 2026
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
Today we talk about something we've never dabbled into: Bethel controversy. Podcaster Mike Winger released a 6 hour expose on Bethel's knowledge about one of their most platformed "prophets," Shawn Bolz, who allegedly data-mined personal information about people and used it to fraudulently prophesy to them. These and other accusations has caused a firestorm in the evangelical world, especially in its charismatic corners. Today, we briefly respond to the controversy. A church that is truly prophetic would stand up for righteousness and for victims of church abuse.
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| 0:00.0 | Bethel controversy explodes. |
| 0:09.0 | It's a roller coaster. |
| 0:10.0 | We haven't talked much about Bethel on the show, |
| 0:13.0 | but you know what? |
| 0:14.0 | I think that we need to. |
| 0:15.0 | I think it's getting too important. |
| 0:17.0 | I had to fill you in on exactly what's going on. |
| 0:19.0 | Only a few thoughts about it right here on Cooper Stuff. |
| 0:35.6 | Hey everybody, welcome back to Cooper Stuff. I know it's been a while. I hope that you are doing good. Okay, we don't talk much about Bethel on the show. There are plenty of other podcasts that cover a lot of these kinds of things. NAR, which is NAR, which stands for the new apostolic Reformation. We haven't talked much, maybe not at all ever on the show about that. |
| 0:56.6 | Other people are doing it. That wasn't exactly my lane. But we're going to have to talk about |
| 1:01.2 | what's going on now. I want to share a few thoughts with you. The reason is is because Bethel is so |
| 1:06.7 | influential and is so worldwide influential, by the way. I would say Bill Johnson, he is what they |
| 1:14.3 | would call the apostle over Bethel and Chris Valaton, who they would call the prophet over |
| 1:19.7 | Bethel. Now, obviously, this is in the charismatic world. So if you're not familiar with that, |
| 1:23.8 | you're probably like, what in the world's going on? But I hope that a lot of you are aware of this sort of controversy. New Apostolic Reformation, NAR churches believe in modern |
| 1:34.1 | day apostles and prophets. So there's lots of intersecting things. I want to say a few things. |
| 1:39.2 | Not all charismatics believe in modern day apostles and prophets. Some do, some don't. So just because you, |
| 1:45.9 | just because you're charismatic doesn't mean that you believe in the NAR movement, etc. |
| 1:52.7 | I, not only have I not talked about NAR on the show, I have also talked about gifts of the |
| 1:57.4 | spirit, continuationism versus cessationism. |
| 2:01.5 | Is that something we've talked a lot about at all, actually? |
| 2:05.0 | The reason we have to talk about it is because Bethel music became so ubiquitous. |
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