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Overthink

Coolness

Overthink

Ellie Anderson, Ph.D. and David Peña-Guzmán, Ph.D.

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Education

4.7549 Ratings

🗓️ 26 May 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Play it cool and play this episode. In episode 175 of Overthink, Ellie and David talk about what it means to be cool. From swag gap relationships to Mark Zuckerberg and the manosphere’s failed attempts at being cool, your hosts examine coolness’s ties to youth and subversion and its opposition to displays of wealth. They trace how coolness emerged from Black American culture in the 1930s, before being associated with Beat Poets and punk musicians. They consider precursors to cool, like the Italian term sprezzatura, and question the ontology and the morality of coolness. Is coolness an attitude or a state? Is it inherently narcissistic? Can you ever successfully “try” to be cool? In the Substack bonus segment, Ellie and David discuss coolness through an ethical perspective.

Works Discussed:

Joel Dinerstein, “Jazz Cool”

Ted Gioia, The History of Jazz

bell hooks, We Real Cool: Black Men and Masculinity

Dick Pountain and David Robins, Cool Rules: Anatomy of an Attitude


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Overthink.

0:19.7

The podcast where your two coolest professors connect philosophy to everyday life.

0:24.8

I'm Ellie Anderson.

0:26.5

And I'm David Peña Guzman.

0:28.5

I got to say, the billionaires today are trying so hard to be cool.

0:34.1

You have Lauren Sanchez, Jeff Bezos, and Mark Zuckerberg showing up to Fashion Week,

0:40.2

sitting in the front row, wearing fancy Prada outfits, but the internet isn't buying it. When I started

0:46.8

Googling the phrase Mark Zuckerberg trying to like find some photos of him in this situation,

0:52.6

so I just start Googling the phrase Mark Zuckerberg trying

0:55.1

Google auto filled it with trying to be cool. Trying too hard maybe. You know, there is nothing

1:02.9

more cringe than aging, rich people trying to use their wealth and influence to buy their way

1:08.9

into the zeitgeist. And that's definitely when trying to be cool becomes trying too hard, which is, as we'll

1:15.3

talk about later in the episode, the most uncool thing that you can ever do.

1:20.5

Yeah.

1:20.7

It's to be perceived as wanting to be cool.

1:23.6

Yeah.

1:23.8

And poor Zuckerberg has multiple articles written about how he tries too hard to be cool, you know.

1:28.9

I mean, he does. He does try really hard. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the line between trying to be cool and trying too hard to be cool is really thin. And I've been thinking about this a lot in recent years because I've noticed a real shift has happened for me. It used to be that I had my

1:44.3

finger on the pulse. I had an intuitive sense of what was cool. But then I got to a certain point in my

1:49.6

30s, and this I think happens generally speaking, even to, you know, maybe not the coolest among us,

1:55.4

but the relatively cool among us among whom I might count myself. When you lose that sense.

2:01.3

Yeah, no, I would say, like, in my 20s, I wasn't the coolest by any means.

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