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Overthink

Attention

Overthink

Ellie Anderson, Ph.D. and David Peña-Guzmán, Ph.D.

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Education

4.7549 Ratings

🗓️ 2 June 2026

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Are you paying attention when you scroll online? In episode 176 of Overthink, Ellie and David draw your attention to attention. They explain why attention is so hard to define and debate the extent to which it should be equated with consciousness. Is attention the same thing as consciousness? Or are there important differences between these concepts? They consider different ways that attention has been classified, from “overt vs. covert” to “effortful vs. effortless” to “voluntary vs. involuntary.” Ellie and David then discuss the commodification of attention and how it has been intensified by the digital era, or what Chris Hayes calls “the age of attention.” How has social media changed the way we attend to the world, to ourselves, and to others? Is our attention still our own? Or has it become alienated? In the Substack Bonus Segment, Ellie and David talk about Simone Weil’s and Iris Murdoch’s ethical approaches to attention.

Works Discussed:

Jelle Bruineberg, “Rethinking the cognitive foundations of the attention economy”

Chris Hayes, The Sirens' Call: How Attention Became the World's Most Endangered Resource

William James, The Principles of Psychology

Carlos Montemayor and Harry Haroutioun Haladjian, Consciousness, Attention, and Conscious Attention

The Friends of Attention, Attensity! A Manifesto of the Attention Liberation Movement


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Overthink.

0:19.6

The podcast where two philosophy professors talk about our disciplines relation to everyday life.

0:25.2

I'm David Peña-Gusman.

0:26.6

And I'm Ellie Anderson.

0:28.1

And as always, for an ad-free extended version of this episode, community discussion and more,

0:33.5

subscribe to Overthink on Substack.

0:36.1

All right, David, I have been super excited to do this episode.

0:40.2

And one of the reasons for that is that I've recently become aware of this manifesto called

0:45.4

Attensity, a manifesto of the Attention liberation movement that I've been seeing in like every

0:50.9

bookstore in the various cities that I've traveled to recently for professional things.

0:55.8

And so I was like, hey, this is my chance.

0:58.0

And I want to start off by telling you a little bit about what attention activism is.

1:02.4

I do want to hear about this and especially in connection to this book because I have seen this

1:07.1

book all over the place.

1:08.3

And just about a week ago, I saw a woman reading it next to me

1:12.1

at the coffee shop. And I kept being creepy and looking over at her to see if her book was any

1:18.1

good from like over her shoulder. And it seemed like a pop book. Let's say your attention was

1:24.2

drawn to the book. Yeah. Yeah. My attention was definitely siphoned over to somebody else's text.

1:30.4

But I want to know whether it was good because I have to say it looked a little too colorful.

1:35.3

Yeah, I think it's a little too colorful for me as well.

1:38.1

But I actually really like some of the features graphic-wise of the book because I think the authors were trying to do something

1:45.1

with the format of the book that also speaks to its contents. And so it has like a bright red cover

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