The curve that I'm on with Converick it and the curve that MailChimp did, if we were to overlay

those two, Converick is far ahead. Like if we put the start date of the two of them, Converick

is far ahead on that curve, then MailChimp was eight years into their business.

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at getlatka.com. Hey guys, my guest today is Nathan Barry.

You've definitely heard of ConvertKit and hopefully you've seen so many other things

he's working on related to tiny houses, investing in friends companies, but most importantly

just creating and building and supporting the creator ecosystem as he really brings his

customers to the forefront of everything he's doing,

whether it's sharing their stories on a podcast, writing about him on the blog, or many other ways

they do this at Kemberg. We're going to touch on all this today. Nathan Barry, thanks for coming on

the show. Yeah, thanks for having me. Okay. So the first thing I want to touch on is actually is not

software related. You know, we're in a very weird time right now where everyone's sort of locked down.

We also know that your community is extremely important.

You've personally built community, both online and in person.

And I want to go back to sort of pre-COVID days and just ask for your thesis on why you decided to get involved with your friend Brent

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