Conversion Therapy (2017 Rerun)
Psychology In Seattle Podcast
Kirk Honda
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🗓️ 10 June 2025
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October 23, 2017
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, deserving listeners, it's just me today. |
| 0:09.1 | I'm going to talk about conversion therapy. |
| 0:11.6 | I'm going to talk about the history that goes back pretty far. |
| 0:16.4 | I'm going to talk about what it is, and I'm going to talk about the current state of the laws and |
| 0:22.7 | ethics regarding conversion therapy, which is the therapy that people will use. It's a word for |
| 0:30.5 | the therapies that people will use to try to change a gay person straight or a bisexual person |
| 0:36.0 | straight. |
| 0:40.6 | So that's what I'm going to talk about today, but let's introduce the podcast. |
| 0:47.9 | First, this is the podcast called Psychology in Seattle, and I am your host, Dr. Kirk Honda, I'm a therapist and a professor, and I want to start with a story about a childhood friend of mine that I've talked about before. |
| 0:57.3 | His name is Jason Graves. |
| 0:59.2 | You can Google him. |
| 1:00.6 | He's Googlable. |
| 1:02.1 | I met him in high school, and we were, you know, I would say he was in my inner circle. |
| 1:09.7 | You know, my, he was in my top sort of |
| 1:13.7 | 10 friends, I suppose, junior, senior year. And after graduation, we lost touch, but then I bumped |
| 1:21.2 | into him a number of years after graduation and I think maybe 10 years. And we discovered that we had both become therapists in |
| 1:29.5 | the mid 90s. I had gone to Antioch University, which is a very liberal school, and he had gone to |
| 1:37.7 | Seattle Pacific University, which is a not so liberal school. And so that was interesting. And then every once in a while over |
| 1:47.2 | Facebook or something, we would chat. And then in 2008, he and I met up for lunch. And I remember, |
| 1:55.4 | and I've talked about this on the podcast before, but just to reiterate that story was that he, at the time in 2008, he was a media |
| 2:05.9 | presence because of conversion therapy, actually. And we were talking over lunch, and he, |
| 2:14.1 | and I had just started thinking, I had just started listening to podcasts actually I |
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