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Hi there, it's Jonathan and you're neat. I hope you're having a good Pesach or Passover break.

We are bringing you conversations we have loved over recent months of the podcast. And we really wanted to bring you

this conversation with Rachel Maddow of MSNBC, obviously one of the country's leading TV hosts,

brilliant journalist. When we spoke to her, she had just launched a new podcast series, which I think went on to be one of the

biggest podcast series of the year in the United States, soon to be a major motion picture

at the hands of no less than Stephen Spielberg. It was called Ultra, and it was about Hitler's

American friends. It was about fascism in America in the 1930s and 40s.

Some shocking revelations.

It was a gripping conversation, we thought.

So here, once again, is a special guest on Unholy, Rachel Maddow.

Rachel Maddow, host of the Rachel Maddo show, is the face of MSNBC.

She is a cable news juggernaut and really the defining TV journalist of liberal cable news in the U.S. Her new podcast, Ultra, is a spectacular success.

It tells the story of a plot to subvert

American democracy and to institute fascism in the 1940s. It really sends shivers down your spine

and is eerily relevant to today. We'll discuss all this and more. And Rachel, thank you so much

for talking to us to Dan and wholly. I'm so, so happy that you guys asked me to do this. I'm

thrilled. Thank you for listening to the podcast. Thank you for saying those nice things. I'm

really excited to talk to you guys. We love the podcast. So we're so excited to have you on

ourselves because it is completely riveting and tells a story that I think very few people will have known before.

In fact, you make a point of how little known this story is.

One of your interviewees in the show is a historian who says,

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