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Hi, it's Unholy. I'm Unite Levy of Channel 12 in Tel Aviv.

And I'm Jonathan Friedland of The Guardian in London.

And we really do hope you're enjoying your summer vacation and having a little bit of fun and we thought

this would be a really good opportunity to talk about and let you listen again to things that we

loved. It's called Conversations We Loved and that's the reason. And I think our first one is a conversation

we had in March initially with a friend of mine, a close friend of mine,

and colleague and one of Israel's most prominent journalists, Ilana Dayan.

Our conversation with her originally aired in March.

After she did something quite unusual for an objective journalist, she spoke her mind,

and she said what she thinks about the judicial

overhaul. This is something that gained a lot of traction inside Israel and also outside.

That's right. And I think that's one of the reasons why it still holds relevance now,

because she was speaking about the moment. She said in very stark terms, she felt it was one of the

biggest moments that the country had faced since 1948, since the founding. But also she did talk

in sort of timeless terms about the obligations of a journalist and those moments where it isn't enough just to be impeccably neutral, impartial, that sometimes you have to call it as you see it. There is something sort of enduring about that principle. And we sort of, three of us kicked it around a bit in that conversation. But this was, the conversation itself had some lasting impact.

So here's our conversation on Unholy with Ilana Dayan.

Ilana Dayan is, I think it's safe to say, the most well-respected journalist in Israel.

She has spearheaded the investigative news program Uvda for the past 30 years, the Israeli version of 60 Minutes, and much to my

shagrin. She still gets the best interviewees in the land and beyond, but I am proud and happy

to call her my dear friend. Ilana has a doctorate and law from Yale University, teaches constitutional

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