Humility in the process of theology.

Man, we need that so much.

I don't want to accommodate to the spirit of the age.

I want to fear God rather than man.

Another part of that is I don't want to offend Christ

by having a lack of charity for his people and by dividing his body.

And so that humility will bulwark us against different kinds of errors.

Hey, Franz.

Welcome back to another episode of Theology and Rah.

My guest today is Dr. Gavin Ortland, who is a theologian, apologist, author, and founder

and president of Truth Unites, a ministry

focused on promoting gospel assurance through theological depth. Gavin holds a PhD in

historical theology from Fuller Theological Seminary and serves as theologian and residence

at Emmanuel Nashville, and he's a visiting professor of historical theology at Phoenix

Seminary. Gavin is the author

of several books, including the forthcoming book, Why Christianity Makes Sense, a book about Jesus,

the mysteries of the world, and the longings of your heart, which releases in September

2026. We recorded this episode in person in Franklin, Tennessee, which was absolutely fantastic being in person.

But we did have some tech issues during the last 20 minutes or so.

We did our best to clean it up, but you'll notice a change in the audio quality.

So just pretend like you're listening to an old boom box or a radio, and it will be awesome. It'll be an awesome experience. So without further ado, please welcome back to the show, the one and only, Dr. Gavin Orland. Gavin, thanks for being a guest on the Algeraldi. This is the second time, I think, right? Yeah, we were just trying to remember. Have we met in person? I know.

We've definitely talked a lot. It's great to be back. Such a weird world where you're like, I don't know if we've ever hung out in person. I feel like I have, but I feel like we have too. Yeah, yeah. I'm excited to talk to you because you're one of the few people. I feel like we live in similar spaces. We deal with, we like to wrestle with topics that some might consider controversial. And when I see how you do it, I honestly am like, man, I want to, like I want to do it that way. Like you model, I think a really healthy balance of being clear thorough in your research clear with your convictions but also do so in in a winsome tone and

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