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Professor Douglas Boy, and his new book is Claudia, champion of the Republic. Why that matters is

the Republic is ending as we speak. These scenes are all the last days. Coming up is a civil war and after that,

Augustus, and we go to 2,000 years later, we're still puzzling about this contest. Cicero has

condemned Clodia, and they've used lots of metaphors that are recognizable to them, including

Flint and Nestra. All of that

is behind us now. Claudia disappears. She's there, but she disappears. Claudius, her brother,

does not disappear. He becomes a prominent politician until one day, on the road back from Rome, he runs into

ruffians led by Milo.

Who is Milo?

And why is there a fight that breaks out that day, Professor?

This is, you know, we fast forward from the trial a little bit because I wanted to continue

the narrative of the,

like you said, this is a story about the Republic and she is our guide to a kind of major

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