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This is CBSI on the world.

I'm John Batchew with Professor Douglas Boyne.

His new book is Clodia.

Champion of the Republic.

The politics here are critical.

This is the end of the Republic and the transition to Augustus,

to the empire, the empire that we still celebrate and think about and worry about and look for

analogies in 2100 years later. But the politics of the moment, I'm not, I'm a, forgive me, professor, I'm simplifying,

so you can do it more, you can parse it better. The popularists were the regular people,

the people, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, were the the senate those are the two big categories how did they interrelate

did they relate no i think you i think you're you're right here the we've got these two words

the optimates the the so-called best men and we've got the popularis who are I think the people's party and using

these words you know if we if we went into you know a space of specialists just for a second between

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