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I'm John backaxter with my good colleague, Judy Dempsey.

She is in Berlin and reporting for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,

a senior scholar.

We've observed not a surprise, but an important detail of a vote, the North Rhine-Westphalia vote in Germany.

Thanks to Judy, I'm learning German states for the first time in my 77 years, Judy.

It's a great joy to be educated by you.

But I know, I go now to two countries I know a whole lot better from reading since, say, the 18th century.

That will be France and Britain, principles in creating America where I am speaking.

The vote in France is not yet clear, but the opinion is that Macron's government must go and the Bahrain-Lapens national rally

must rise. In Britain, the same thing. The labor is firmly in control of the votes in parliament.

The Tories have retreated to what you'd have to say is a grumpy core

and rising with very few seats, but much energy is Natchel Farage's Reform U.K.

What I observed from Reform U.K. and Marine Le Pen's National Rally, and we could go on for other states,

is a fervent nationalism. The nationalism can be called

populism. There are many terms for it, but it hinges on migration, the great migration of

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