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Everything Belongs: Living the Teachings of Richard Rohr Forward

Contemplation With Carmen Acevedo Butcher

Everything Belongs: Living the Teachings of Richard Rohr Forward

Center for Action and Contemplation

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8723 Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2024

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

How does contemplation invite you to see the world, and yourself, differently? In this episode, we’re joined by CAC Affiliate Faculty member Carmen Acevedo Butcher. Together, we continue our chapter-by-chapter exploration of Eager to Love with Chapter 5: “Contemplation: A New Way of Seeing.” In this conversation, we explore the meaning and practice of contemplation, how it can be practiced in various forms, and how a contemplative perspective can transform one's relationship to the world. Before Mike and Paul begin the conversation with Carmen, Mike and Paul catch up with Richard at his hermitage to hear his reflections on the fifth chapter of Eager to Love. Carmen Acevedo Butcher, PhD, is an award-winning author, poet, and translator of spiritual texts. She teaches at UC Berkeley, focusing on language evolution and inclusive communication. Her work highlights the power of words and the connection between personal and global healing. Hosted by CAC Staff: Mike Petrow, Paul Swanson, and Drew Jackson Resources: A PDF of the transcript for this episode can be found here. Grab a copy of Eager to Love here. To learn more about Carmen Acevedo Butcher, visit her website here.

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0:00.0

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0:07.6

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Everything Belongs podcast. I'm Mike Petro. It's good to be joined by

0:12.2

the one and only Mr. Paul Swanson. Paul, it is so good to see you. So good to see you. And gosh,

0:18.8

what a fun conversation this was with Richard and with Carmen later on. It's a joy to, I have to pinch myself. We get to have these conversations on these incredible texts about these incredible themes. Yeah, I can't believe it.

0:34.5

Yeah, it's so awesome. And just to remind our listeners, this season, we're going

0:38.1

through Richard's book, Eager to Love the Alternative Way of Francis of Assisi. And what's amazing

0:44.2

is you don't have to read the book with us to listen to the episodes because they're so rich and

0:50.2

there's such good conversation. But if you want to, this week we're talking about chapter five, contemplation, a different way of knowing.

0:59.3

And it is so, so good.

1:01.2

We get to talk to Carmen Acevedo Butcher, one of our favorite teachers and friends.

1:05.8

And we get to go join Richard in his living room for an intimate chat about how contemplation came into his

1:13.3

life and what it means to him now. Yeah. And I felt like we went back to some like the

1:18.9

baseboards of contemplation with Richard talking about, you know, bearing the image of God

1:25.0

and what does it mean to grow in likeness? And we got into some

1:28.3

Eastern Orthodox language around theosis and divinization. And what does that mean? And how,

1:35.3

what does it mean for those of us today as we seek to live in this growing expansive participant

1:41.8

of seeing? You know, I feel like Richard kind of,

1:45.0

the lights get a little bit brighter on conversations

1:47.9

that have to do with contemplation

1:49.5

because it's been such a lighthouse for him,

1:53.4

something that's really been a North Star.

1:57.3

What's your impression when you're in those conversations

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