“Conspiratorial Demonology” in the New Apostolic Reformation: LGBTQ Students and Undue Influence in Schools with Jonathon Sawyer

Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

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🗓️ 27 May 2024

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Jonathon Sawyer is urgently speaking out against involvement of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) in education for a very clear reason. He stated, “More people need to know that those who are discriminated against [sometimes] become those who discriminate.” In psychology, we call this the victim, victimizer paradigm. It is the idea that without healthy self-reflection, people exteriorize or project their own inner “demons” onto others. This cycle of religiously motivated harm is a concern for both individuals and society: “One of the concerns that I have...is that we’re seeing more and more taxpayer-supported religious schools in the United States, particularly at the K through 12 levels,” said Jonathon—“…[and] adolescents, young people, and children are especially susceptible to some of the most...harmful aspects of radical religion.” He is the author of the important journal article titled (Un)hidden from self: on LGBTQ students and the conspiratorial demonology of the New Apostolic Reformation. A really important conversation! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of the influence continuum.
0:10.5	And my guest today is Jonathan Sawyer, a PhD candidate at the University of Colorado Boulder.
0:18.1	And I want to say, Jonathan, you have a fascinating background and story. And my good friend
0:25.7	Frederick Clarkson called my attention to a published journal article that you wrote. And I said to Fred,
0:35.5	I'm so busy. I can't get to it for a while.
0:39.3	And then I looked at it and skimmed it.
0:41.7	And I was like, I want to interview Jonathan Sawyer sooner than later.
0:47.0	And I want to get into more of your qualifications for this.
0:52.1	But I thought that from my listeners, I would just read the abstract
0:57.3	from your journal article, which summarizes things. Your piece was published in the review of
1:06.6	education, pedagogy, and cultural studies, and that's a Rutledge Press, which I just did a
1:14.0	textbook on clinical hypnosis for Rutledge, very respected academic publishing house.
1:21.7	The title of your article is called Unhidden from Self on LGBTQ students and the conspiratorial demonology of the
1:33.3	New Apostolic Reformation.
1:36.7	And my listeners have heard me talking about NAR, New Apostolic Reformation for many years.
1:43.6	I wrote about it in the cult of Trump.
1:46.2	I've interviewed Andre Gagne, who is a former pastor of one of these groups,
1:52.1	Frederick Clarkson, who helped me extensively.
1:55.9	But it's a force, a political force in politics, not just in the United States, but internationally.
2:05.6	And so I, and this interface and your own personal experience is so unique and interesting.
2:13.6	I wanted to do this episode with you.
2:16.6	But first, let me just, if you don't mind,
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