It's better off for everybody if we actually just don't start opening these doors.

If there was all this understanding and knowledge, why does it go on and then why does it stop going on?

They get into the occult, they do rituals and it coincides with their success.

The public can't help but get into an argument about is this not true.

One of the British members of parliament, that was one of his colleagues.

Jeffrey Epstein's essential father-in-law.

I have watched where incredibly powerful people seem to be a bug for law. I mean, look what happened with, in the last few years, with celebrities, I'll bring this up. Winpin' for well. We gotta go viral here, he going. Conrad Flynn, welcome back to the TMO show. The first guest I've ever had back. I'm excited. This is our own double album. Well, it's Kiss Alive, too. I think that's what we're going with. Any of you who you want to jump in on before I go down my particular rabbit hole, I mean,

we've caught a little fire online.

It's interesting.

We've got good business together in wrestling parlance.

Yeah. I want to ask you a wrestling at some point. Sure. Yeah. little fire online.

It's interesting.

We have good business together in wrestling parlance.

Yeah.

I want to ask you a wrestling at some point.

Sure.

Yeah.

Well, I want to ask you, Fred and I want to be to Yeah, I want to ask you a wrestling at some point. Sure, yeah. Well, I'll actually ask you, friend of mine wanted me to ask, you once said that in music and rock history, the logic of wrestling and marketing is very similar to how pop works. In terms of pop stars are marketed or candy marketed in a way that's not unlike wrestling. In terms of someone over marketing. What's sure in the group? Are there any acts including this mashing pumpkins that you you have ever analogized to a pop act? We're like this guy's kind of like it's like I know Bob Dillan was famously influenced by gorgeous George. Oh I see. David Bowie and glam took itself from his British wrestler in your work with NWA or in your wrestling. Have you ever noticed like what did you mean by that and do you have any analogies to that to wrestling a pop? I just think it's the what I attached to is it's the mechanics of getting people to buy into an avatar. And as the audience leans into the avatar of the artist or the person behind the avatar, leans into two. So you create almost like a third person. Right. Whole Cogan, his real name was Terry Balea. He wasn't whole Cogan, but he became whole Cogan. John Wayne wasn't John Wayne. He became John Wayne. Right. Right. So I'm sort of fascinated by by the mechanism of creating the avatar and how whether it's Bruce Springstring or John Wayne or David Bowie, they figure out that they can sort of work with this third entity that exists between the audience and the person holding the Marinette strings. Well, that's something that Gorgeous George, the rest are said to Bob Dylan in Bob Dylan's memoirs.

He said that they passed each other and Gorgeous George said, you're getting people to believe in it. And Bob Dylan says, I'm not 100% sure that's what he said, but he's like, that's what I thought. He said, and that's what's more important is he said, you're getting people to believe in it. Yeah. Wrestling is the is the over expression

In acknowledgement that that is what is actually happening.

Right.

Now that the business has been exposed since Vince McMahon came on said, okay, it's not

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