Welcome to Confronting Capitalism. I'm Melissa Nashek, and I'm here, as always, with Vivek Chibber, a professor of sociology at NYU

and the editor of Catalyst, a journal of theory and strategy.

Reminder before we get into the podcast, if you have any questions for Vivek or future suggestions

for topics, you can send us an email at

confronting.capitalism at jacobin.com so with that out of the way how are you doing today v

i'm doing good watching the leaves starting to turn a little bit and fall is always nice

i enjoy fall i thought you were going to mention the Browns. Just stop. When I deem it fit to mention the Browns, I will do so. But the game last week is not worth talking about. Eagles are looking good, I'm just saying. It's easy to be an Eagles fan. It means nothing. You know what? All eyes are on us. The weight of the world is on our shoulders.

Why don't we talk after the Eagles have not won a single divisional playoff game in 25 years or something, and then we'll talk.

Yeah, you're a champ for sticking with that.

So on to the reason we're really here, which is to talk once again about neoliberalism.

Neoliberalism in general is a pretty hot topic right now among researchers, and one of the

most common lenses is to focus on the role of ideas, theories, and thinkers in establishing

neoliberalism.

The last time we talked about this topic, you dispelled a lot of

common misconceptions about what it is and what it's not. One of the questions that we've gotten

a lot from listeners since doing that episode is where does neoliberalism come from?

Yeah, it's very topical on the left, and it is one of

the questions that came up a lot in the emails, but it's also important for the left, because

getting to the crux of this helps us understand where and how important changes in economic

regimes and models of accumulation come from. So I think both in deference to our

listeners, but also acknowledging the intrinsic importance of the subject, I think it's good

for us to get into it in some more depth. Yeah. And I think this will be interesting because it

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