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Welcome to The Dig, a podcast from Jacobin Magazine.

My name is Daniel Denver, and I'm broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island.

Today's interview is with Brazilian finance minister Fernando Hedaji.

We discuss Brazilian politics and Brazilian political economy, specifically

where Brazil fits into a world capitalist system structured by relationships of domination

and unequal exchange. Hadaji served as education minister during Lula's first two terms as

president, and then again during

Dilma Rousseff's presidency. He was then elected mayor of Sao Paulo. After a legislative coup

ousted Dilma Rousseff from power and a politicized judiciary imprisoned Lula, in 2018,

Hadaji stepped up to run for president as the candidate of

the Workers Party, or PT, losing to far-right authoritarian Jayir Bolsonaro. Today, the PT and

Hadaji are back in power, but inevitably face an extraordinary set of complex contradictions and challenges.

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