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CONFLICTED

Conflicted Community: Elisabeth Kendall – Politics, Conflict and Jihadi Poetry in Yemen

CONFLICTED

Message Heard

Religion & Spirituality, History

4.71.4K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

This week for our Conflicted Community members, we return to Yemen for an interview with, Dr Elisabeth Kendall, an academic whose work has covered so many varied manifestations of the country’s culture, politics, and the conflict that has engulfed it for the past decade. Elisabeth is a professor of Arabic and Islamic studies at the University of Cambridge, where she is also the Mistress of Girton College. Her research explores how militant jihad groups use 'soft' culture (poetry, literature, song) and harness local grievances, to recruit and win toleration in the broader community, and she has spent significant time in Yemen, carrying out research, while also following the ongoing war. Thomas and Elisabeth discuss her journey into the field, and the complexities of Yemeni politics, particularly during the Arab Spring, emphasising the importance of primary sources in understanding jihadism and critiques the international community's role in Yemen's political landscape. They discuss the complex dynamics of the Yemeni conflict, exploring the roles of various international and regional actors, the evolution of the Houthis, and the challenges of achieving peace. And to end, they have a fascinating discussion on the significance of poetry in jihadist culture, illustrating how it serves as a tool for propaganda and emotional engagement. To listen to the full episode, you’ll need to subscribe to the Conflicted Community. And don’t forget, subscribers can also join our Conflicted Community chatroom, where you can interact with fellow dearest listeners, discuss episodes past and future, get exclusive messages from Thomas and Aimen, ask future Q&A questions and so much more. All the information you need to sign up is on this link: https://conflicted.supportingcast.fm/  Conflicted is proudly made by Message Heard, a full-stack podcast production agency which uses its extensive expertise to make its own shows such as Conflicted, shows for commissioners such as the BBC, Spotify and Al Jazeera, and powerfully effective podcasts for other companies too. If you’d like to find out how we can help get your organisation’s message heard, visit messageheard.com or drop an email to [email protected]! Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MHconflicted And Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MHconflicted Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, dearest listeners.

0:58.5

Welcome back to Conflicted with me, Thomas Small.

1:01.8

Another interview for you today.

1:03.8

This time returning to a place we can't seem to stop looking at on conflicted Yemen.

1:09.2

My guest this week's work on Yemen, and indeed the wider

1:12.7

region covers the full spectrum. As an academic, she is the mistress and president of Gerton

1:18.8

College at the University of Cambridge, where her studies focus on the Arabic language,

1:23.7

and across her career, she has looked at everything from theoretical questions of

1:28.9

literary and linguistic development in Arabic cultures to the formation and development of terror

1:34.9

groups after 9-11. Outside of academia, she's worked with the office of the UN envoy to Yemen,

1:41.2

and has advised parts of NATO, the British, US, and other militaries.

1:46.2

And most intriguing of all, to me at least, her work has long focused on the poetry written

1:51.4

by jihadist groups.

1:53.0

Yes, dearest listener, jihadist poetry, another first for us on conflicted.

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