Confidence Classic: The Strengths of Perfectionism with Katherine Morgan Schafler

Creating Confidence with Heather Monahan

Heather Monahan

Entrepreneurship, Education, Business, Self-improvement

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🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Perfectionism isn’t one-size-fits-all. It shows up in ways you may not even realize. In this episode, I sit down with psychotherapist and author Katherine Morgan Schafler to talk about how perfectionism fuels growth instead of stress. Katherine shares the five types of perfectionists, how to identify your own patterns, and why perfectionism without boundaries often turns destructive. We also dive into how to channel perfectionist tendencies into self-awareness, resilience, and real power rather than burnout or fear. Tune in to discover how to reframe perfectionism not as a flaw to fix, but as a signal of your drive and potential. In This Episode You Will Learn PERFECTIONISM is not a flaw but a POWER with the right boundaries. The DIFFERENCE between manipulation and influence. The 3 STEP SELF-COMPASSION framework that builds resilience and confidence. Why PERFECTIONISM in men is celebrated but in women criticized. Why asking for HELP is actually a SIGN OF DETERMINATION. How REFRAMING control shifts your approach to goals. The FIVE TYPES of perfectionists and how each one shows up in life and work. Resources + Links Learn more about Katherine: ⁠www.katherineschafler.com⁠ & ⁠www.perfectionistsguide.com⁠ Read ⁠The Perfectionist's Guide To Losing Control⁠ Take the ⁠Perfectionism Profile Quiz⁠ Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at shopify.com/monahan Download the CFO’s Guide to AI and Machine Learning at NetSuite.com/MONAHAN. Want to do more and spend less like Uber, 8x8, and Databricks Mosaic? Take a free test drive of OCI at oracle.com/MONAHAN. Get 10% off your first Mitopure order at timeline.com/CONFIDENCE. Get 15% off your first order when you use code CONFIDENCE15 at checkout at jennikayne.com. Call my digital clone at 201-897-2553! Visit heathermonahan.com Sign up for my mailing list: heathermonahan.com/mailing-list/ Overcome Your Villains is Available NOW! Order here: https://overcomeyourvillains.com If you haven't yet, get my first book Confidence Creator Follow Heather on Instagram & LinkedIn Katherine on Instagram

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0:00.0	Perfectionism is a power in my view, right?
0:04.4	It is the power to have this cognitive capacity that is unique to our species, which is being
0:10.0	able to not just see and interpret the reality ahead of us, but also the ideals we imagine
0:15.8	and being able to drive towards that.
0:18.7	Come on this journey with me.
0:20.0	Each week when you join me, we are going to chase down our goals.
0:24.3	We'll overcome adversity and set you up for a better tomorrow.
0:29.0	I'm ready for my close-up.
0:30.8	Tell me, have you been enjoying these new bonus confidence classics episodes we've been
0:36.0	dropping on you every week?
0:37.1	We've literally
0:37.7	hundreds of episodes for you to listen to. So these bonuses are a great way to help you find the
0:42.7	ones you may have already missed. I hope you love this one as much as I do. Hi, and welcome back.
0:48.9	I'm so excited for you to meet our guest this week. Catherine Morgan Schapler is a psychotherapist, writer, and speaker and former on-site
0:57.6	therapist at Google.
0:59.5	She earned degrees and trained at UC Berkeley and Columbia University with postgraduate
1:04.5	certification from the Associate for Spirituality and Psychotherapy in New York City.
1:09.7	Catherine, thank you so much for being here today.
1:12.2	Thank you for having me.
1:13.7	It is a thrill to be with you.
1:16.0	Okay, so this is so funny, and we started talking about it off air, and I said, oh my gosh,
1:21.6	let me record this.
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