I give people what it's called grace space.

That's what he gave me.

And grace space is enough time to like bump around to you figure out,

oh, all of these other things I'm trying to do, they don't work.

And then you come to, you arrive at the conclusions of like,

I really do believe the Holy Spirit can empower me to live right.

He will convict me of sin and he will empower me.

It happens.

Yeah.

So sometimes I use this podcast for selfish gain.

I use it to meet people that I want to meet and be friends with.

And this is one of those days.

I have wanted to know Tim Ross since I saw you on upset.

What is it?

Upset the ground.

Upset the gram.

Yep.

Yep.

And I was like, oh yeah, you aren't afraid to just talk about hard things,

go to the places people are wrestling, thinking about. And it was so refreshing. And I love following you. And it's just such an honor. I'm glad we get to hang out. I'm grateful. I'm grateful too. Thank you so much. And we're Dallas natives together. I didn't know you lived here. I live here. I'm so happy you live here. I know. Yes. Yes. This is not my house.

Understood. But I live in this town with you. That's great. That's great. And so, yeah, I do think, you know, your story is incredible. And I would love to just start there in case people don't know you.

Yeah. Because even people that follow you, you don't, you're often promoting and lifting up other people's voices.

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