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U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Coney Island Auto Parts Unlimited, Inc. v. Burton

U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

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Government & Organizations, National

4.7661 Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

A case in which the Court held that a motion to set aside a judgment as void under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 60(b)(4) must be filed within a "reasonable time" as required by Rule 60(c)(1).

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0:00.0

We will hear argument first this morning in case 24808, Kony Island Auto Parts Unlimited versus Burton.

0:07.7

Mr. Ginsburg.

0:08.6

Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court.

0:11.3

Historically, judgments entered in the absence of personal jurisdiction have been described as a nullity,

0:16.7

utterly void upon entry, lacking any legal effect and odious to due process.

0:21.9

Accordingly, they have routinely been vacated without reference to any specific period of time or deadline,

0:28.2

and courts have noted that it is per se an abuse of discretion for a court not to vacate a void judgment.

0:33.7

In this action, the lower courts did not determine whether the judgment was void.

0:37.8

Rather,

0:43.4

they held that Coney Island took too long to bring its motion for vacatur in violation of rule of civil procedure 60C1, which requires such motions to be made within a reasonable time.

0:49.3

This court has never had occasion previously to consider whether Rule 60C1 applies to judgments

0:53.9

void ab initio or the

0:55.6

definition of reasonable time. We respectfully submit that the lower courts erred because, as a matter

1:01.0

of logic, Rule 60C1 cannot apply to judgments void ab initio. And the reason for that is that

1:06.8

if the judgment is void immediately upon entry and remain so for all time, there cannot

1:11.3

be a time after which the judgment cannot be vacated because a judgment that is void ab initio

1:18.5

cannot suddenly spring to life and become active and enforceable through the passage of time alone.

1:24.2

To harmonize the doctrine of void ab initio in a reasonable time, the Court may find,

1:28.5

as it has in the past, that a defendant believing that a court lacks jurisdiction,

1:33.3

may elect to ignore the proceeding, suffer the default judgment, and then collaterally attack

1:38.1

that judgment when the judgment creditor attempts to enforce it.

1:42.0

Enforcement, however, must be adversarial in nature, or actually invading a personal

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