From WNYC Studios, I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Friday, April 25th.

David Graham, Atlantic Magazine National Politics staff writer is with us. As we approach the 100th day of the Trump administration

next Tuesday. David has a new book called The Project, How Project 2025 is Reshaping America.

One thing David can boast, he read the whole thing, which not many people can say about the

900-page blueprint for this second Trump term that they hoped for

that came out last year. And spoiler alert, David broke out a piece of the book for an article

in the Atlantic that says the top goal of Project 2025 is still to come. So let's see what that is

and how much he thinks they're already reshaping America, as the book

subtitle says. David, always good to have you. Welcome back to WNYC. Thank you for having me.

As you note, Project 2025 identifies four goals that their specific policies flow from. Would you like

to recite the list? Yeah, the first one is to restore the family as the

heart of American life. I'm paraphrasing a little bit here. The second one is to secure borders

and to, excuse me, to dismantle the deep state and return power to the people. The third one is to

secure the borders and the bounty for America. And the fourth one is

to restore the blessings of liberty for all Americans. And before we get to that number one goal

that you said may come next for Trump and affect all American lives, what was it like Reading

Project 2025 cover to cover? Some of our listeners may be wondering,

you write that it was both more radical and more interesting than you expected. What was that

experience like? You know, I'd read bits and pieces during the campaign when I was looking for

specific policy questions on things, but I hadn't read it all the way through. It is, I mean,

it's just so systematic. It's not the kind of

wish list of policies that we see from think tanks and other political organizations. It is both a

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