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Rule of Life

Community 03: Overcoming Shame — The Ancient Enemy of Community (featuring Dr. Curt Thompson)

Rule of Life

Practicing the Way

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8700 Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

What is the main culprit behind so much disconnection and damage in our relationships? Join John Mark Comer and Shelbi Shutt as they explore the universal experience of shame, featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with shame expert Dr. Curt Thompson. 


In this episode’s luminary interview, John Mark and Dr. Thompson discuss the degrees of disconnection and damage caused by shame and how we can address this ancient enemy to connection. Dr. Thompson is a psychiatrist, speaker, and the author of The Soul of Shame. You can explore more of his work at curtthompsonmd.com and connect with him @curtthompsonmd. 


This podcast accompanies the Community Practice, a four-session experience designed to help you cultivate community in the Way of Jesus. Learn more at practicingtheway.org/community


Our Practices are free, thanks to the generosity of The Circle and other givers. Learn more about The Circle at practicingtheway.org/give. Run a Practice with your community and find other resources at practicingtheway.org/resources.

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0:00.0

Shame for me personally, the way that I would describe it, it keeps you stuck because it's a feeling of defeat.

0:06.0

Like you're disappointed in something that you've done or something that happens to you and it's hard to move past it.

0:11.0

So when you're stuck in shame, you're stuck in that place.

0:14.0

Shame comes from so many different places, whether it's family or religion or sexuality. Each individual deals with

0:24.9

it differently. I think when you keep it to yourself, you're giving it power that it doesn't

0:29.6

need. And then all of a sudden when you say it and it's known, it just that power kind of goes away.

0:34.1

A lot of the times we don't challenge our thoughts. We think just because the thought came to our

0:37.3

mind,

0:37.9

then that thought is true.

0:39.3

But sometimes having other people around,

0:41.1

they can help you challenge that thought.

0:42.3

If you can't do it yourself.

0:43.6

It is hard to open up and say the things

0:45.9

that you are shameful about.

0:47.2

And I think that that's natural,

0:48.6

because it's like you want people to see the best in you. Vulnerability is a skill that you can learn.

0:54.6

It's something that you can learn how to be more,

0:56.6

and it's really challenging at first.

0:58.2

Something recently happened to me at work,

1:00.8

which I told her about,

1:02.0

and I felt really just, like, frustrated

1:04.3

and, like, embarrassed that it had happened.

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