Well, thanks for joining us today. I'm John Fuller, along with Greg and Aaron Smalley,

who head up our marriage team here at Focus on the Family. We're going to begin today

with a clip from Chris and Jenny Grabe. They've been married for 18 or 19 years, and they

talked with Focus President Jim Daly about why stepping out and trying new things can

be good for your marriage.

You mentioned in the book about coming across, I don't know, as a guy or a woman who mentioned

that they had these dreams, but one dream was becoming a runner, and it was only a dream

in his head.

Oh, yeah.

It was kind of interesting, just a dream in his head. Describe it.

Well, we were pastors for a really long time, so we spent a lot of time in small groups,

right? Developing small groups, starting small groups. And this was one that we had started,

so it was a group of strangers, except for our other pastor friend there. And we kind

of went around the circle, everybody shared the top five things that they thought would

help everyone get to know them. And he said, well, I'm a pastor, I'm a soon-to-be father,

I'm a worship leader, and in my head, I'm a runner. And everyone cracked up laughing,

you know, because we all resonate. We all have those things, those identities that we think

we are in our heads. But if you look at our actual life, you're like, you know what? I

think I'm a runner in my head, but I actually haven't run in a long time. But it's something

I love. It's something important to me. It's something I used to do really well, but I

can't find it anywhere in my life. So I guess I'm not a runner, but in my head, I still

am. And when he said that, I mean, light bulbs went off in my head. I just, he just put words

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