Hi, this is the Made of Human Podcast. I'm Sophie Hagen and it's I'm whispering again. I know some of you told me that you couldn't listen to the last episode because you kept falling asleep

Which is hilarious and I apologize. I just I just have to whisper because my my housemaid is asleep and she's right on the other side of her of this wall and if you can hear like a thing in the background that is my I'm not going to say

Radiator was like a heater like this little round thing that is the only heat thing I have in my room because my radiator doesn't work.

So that's the sound you can hear in the background and then you might be able to hear

the creaking of my bed.

Or squeaking, squeaking of my bed was squeaking squeaking of my bed because I'm in bed as far up against the opposite wall from my housemaid's connecting wall that I can possibly be.

So I just, this is the second part of the Susan Kalman episode.

So if you haven't heard the first one, I can recommend that, just starting off with that, because the second one starts right in the middle of it.

And this is where we really get into depression.

And this, I'm going to do like a major trigger warning.

We talk about self-harm, relatively detailed. We talk about a suicide attempt,

bullying, depression. It gets quite emotional and a bit dark and there were certain points where

either Susan was crying or I was crying or we were both crying. We're both quite good at not really showing.

I think we can still talk quite normally even though we're crying, but you can hear the yard sniffling and slight cracking off the voice.

But coincidentally, I mean not even coincidentally, ironically, it's still probably the funniest episode I've released.

I mean, Susan is incredible and I think this is a very important episode.

We talk about self-harm and I just want to make it very very clear that we obviously do not condone that and if you do struggle with depression or mental health issues and self-harm and stuff,

both me and Susan have seen therapists.

And I mean, we 100% back up the fact that you should get help try your best to get help talk to someone about this

This is I'm not a therapist and I do sometimes get emails from people who want to share the story and it's always lovely that people like me.

It's nice that people want to share

and that they feel that I'm someone they can share with

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