It gets better because it has to get better.

We're all made of human.

I'm going to start this episode by warning you there will be a mention of suicide in this

episode so if that is a subject that makes you feel really uncomfortable, maybe you don't want to listen to this.

It's not, I mean we're not joking about it per se, it's, we talk about Jack's personal experience with grief and suicide comes up. We're going to talk a lot about masculinity and the problem with male suicide.

So just so you are aware, we will be mentioning that.

If you're okay with that, then I just want to say welcome to the Made of Human Podcast, also called

MoPOD by Cool Kids.

So I have Jack Rook on as a guest.

I'm Sophie Hagen.

I'm the host.

It's my podcast. I'm technically a stand-up comedian.

If you ever want to see me do actual comedy on a live stage, you can see me at Soho

The first week of May.

You can, it's my show Shimmer Shatter.

It'll be the last time I ever do it live, ever.

You can get tickets for that at soothita.com.

And if you want to, I'm going to be touring at some point, wink wink, secret, maybe possible, who knows? I know, I definitely will. And if you want to know

when and where and get secrets for that, join my newsletter at sovihegan.com forward slash a newsletter.

I also just send out a newsletter every month where I completely over share and tell you all the stuff

that you don't need to know and that I will later get complaints about from people I've mentioned in the news

at us.

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