Hey everybody, it's Manouche here. I just want to let you know we have bleaped out the F word in this

upcoming interview, but we left in the SH word. Marina Brahmovich uses it a couple times, but she

says it in this like delightful Eastern European accent. We just we couldn't bear to take it out. So

if you're listening with your family and this is a problem for you, totally understand, but you know

what actually it's just part of the whole atmosphere of this episode. Enjoy.

Okay, my name is Marina Brahmovich and the title of the book walking through the walls.

I will say no. No, this way, not recording now. No, not yet. Or we start. Let's start.

It's note to self the tech show about being human. I'm Manouche Summerodi and yes, the woman behind

that thick Slavic accent is Marina Brahmovich. She is turning 70 this November and right now Marina is

perhaps the most famous performance artist in the world. As you heard, her new memoir is called

Walking Through Walls and she thinks our over caffeinated hyperproductive society needs her more than

ever. I think the right now the function of an artist is very important. You know, before you can

be boymian and kind of sit around and drink to death and have fun with friends, now you're more

responsibility. In the 70s and 80s, Marina became known for her intensely physical works, where she

did things like use a knife to carve a star into her stomach and lay on blocks of ice or meet her

lover halfway down the Great Wall of China for a final goodbye before they broke up.

She was always about pushing herself to the limits emotionally and physically.

But now Marina thinks we all of us are pushing ourselves to the limits in everyday life.

Our phones tell us where our bodies need to be next and the fastest way to get there. Meanwhile,

we mentally keep track of our audiences' likes and comments on whichever virtual self we display

that day on Instagram, Facebook or Snapchat. Many of us have become nearly as performative as

Marina Abramovich. In so-and-response, she has changed the nature of her work. It's more about us now

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