You are about to listen to Andrew Collins and Richard Heron talking to each other for roughly an hour.

Yeah, some people hate, hate I was having even a kind of ironic jingles.

That's from Alex Collier.

It's not rubbish.

But I think it's sweet that people are sending jingles but I'm going to add to that this is not

it wasn't sent to us this is something I was watching for my pleasure I watch old

episodes of waking the, the usually serial killer-based detective series

Don't Trevor Eve, Sue Johnston in the early series Claire Goose.

Oh yeah, Will Johnson. Yeah, she got killed at the end of second or third series.

So, you know, I've already seen her die, but watching the old ones again, she's alive again.

Don't ruin it for people who haven't seen it.

It was a big deal at the time, it was a massive new story.

Well, I don't see it. Anyway I'm watching the

old ones again and there was one where Timothy West was involved and this is Timothy

West being interviewed in the interview room, familiar to viewers of

waking the dead by Trevor Eve and I think you'll enjoy it. It's a 45 second

clip. This is exactly as it appeared. Ready? Yeah. When Joan came back from university, he worked for a man called Andrew.

Could this be Andrew?

It could be.

Do you remember his last name?

Collins?

Andrew Collins. I'm through college, of Collins.

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