Welcome to The Lost Debata Show for Politically Ecclectics.

I'm Ravi Gupta and today we are welcoming back a popular guest, Todd Rose, who's the CEO

of Populous and he's the former professor and director of the Laboratory for the Science of

Individuality at Harvard.

He's the best-selling author of Collective Illusions, The End of Average and Dark Horse.

Todd, welcome back.

Hey, good to be here. Well, we have a couple of things

on our agenda, including perceptions of Israel, Palestine, collective illusions around the media and

media bias, standardized testing. But before we do any of that, I've been thinking about an earlier

conversation you and I had because we talked about how from some of your

data and just from some common sense, we were talking about how CEOs don't want to take positions

on issues of national concern, like that have nothing to do with their products. And you were saying

that both your data, but also the conversations you have for CEOs,

they don't want to take these positions.

The public also doesn't want them to take these positions.

And I've been thinking about this because of this Harvard situation where Harvard got itself

in a bind, Harvard, UPN, MIT, I mean, county organization where these university presidents have gotten, I think,

like as some guests on this podcast would say, they've kind of set a standard where they

should be commenting on a lot of things. And then when they, I think, conspicuously didn't

on the Israel-Palestine issues, it attracted a lot of attention. I just am curious

to what your perspective is on this, because it seems to be exactly what we were talking about the

last time we started. It's exactly right. I mean, there's a great op-ed by a colleague of mine,

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