It's easier to not try.

And that's what we're associating often with like cool or the perception of cool or not wanting to show up.

Yes.

Because we're like we don't want to look like we want something, that we need something from someone that we yearn for something

because it's way cooler to sit back and critique things and not participate.

Let it go. Let it out.

My podcast, my name is Katie. this week i have two friends of mine

michelle and wallace they co-hosts the holisticism podcast good for you and the twelfth house

which we'll talk a little bit about in this but i was recently recently a guest on The 12th House, and after that,

I knew that I really wanted to have both Michelle and Wallace on this podcast. As we explain,

Michelle and I have been pals for a really long time, six years plus.

Michelle is the founder and CEO of holisticism.

And if you don't already know holisticism, you're going to love it.

Holisticism bridges the gap between the mystic and the realistic to make well-being more accessible to more people.

And it's something that I have been a fan of since the beginning, which we also touch on in this,

and continue to be.

And I've gotten to collaborate with Michelle on teaching multiple classes

with holisticism and co-hosting events and obviously being on their podcast. And Wallace

works with Michelle on holisticism. And we met through that. And we have a ton of mutual friend.

She used to live in L.A. She just moved to New York.

And Wallace is newly becoming one of my favorite new friends. And getting to speak to both of them

in a studio a couple weeks ago was so fun. And you'll hear that in just a moment. So I want to get to it as quickly as possible.

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