Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, The Spectator's Daily Politics podcast.

This is the Saturday edition.

So this week, Boris Johnson has become the leader of the Conservative Party and Prime Minister.

But the Labour Party has been more worried about another new leader, Joe Swinson.

In her political column this week, Katie Balls writes about why the

Labour Party has been going on the attack against Swinson. I'm joined now by Katie, as well as Labour MP Stephen Kinnock,

who's on the committee for exiting the European Union. So Katie, why is the Labour Party so worried

about Joe Swinson? Well, there's been lots of angry Jeremy Corbyn keyboard warriors this week.

And if you saw the various tweets, I think you might begin to think that they were going

after Boris Johnson because they've been tweeting with his outright, suggesting that there

is a new leader who has a track record for overseeing years of austerity, voting for tax

cuts for the super rich,

and all in all pursuing a neoliberal agenda.

But they're not referring to a Conservative MP, even though they might like to call her a Tory.

They're talking about Joe Swinson.

And I think the level of vitriol might be one word and criticism that you're seeing from

lots of Labour politicians

towards Joe Swenson does tap into this concern within the Labour Party about what a resurgent

Lib Dem Party can do to Labour because up until probably under a year ago, the Liberal Democrats

were seen as a bit of a joke again. It seemed as though they were destined for extinction.

They were trying to have this pro-EU message, but it wasn't cutting through.

And now you have this reversal of the fortune where they're picking up votes,

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