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Hello and welcome today's edition of Coffee House Shots. I'm James Hill and I'm delighted to be

joined today by the former Conservative Minister David Gorg. Now David, you have completed this

week a major review of sentencing policy. Tell us briefly about the top lines of the report.

So first of all the context is that we are running out of prison places and that we will run out. Even with action

taken recently by the government, we've got to run out next spring. And by the time we get to

early 2028, the shortfall is going to be something in the region of 9.5,000. So it is necessary

to take action here. There are a number of measures that we have set out.

We're saying that there should only be used of short sentences in exceptional circumstances.

We're extending the use of suspended sentences. The biggest single recommendation in terms of

finding savings is introducing a new progression model,

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