CNLP 786 | Craig Groeschel and His Therapist Join the Show: What Happens When a Leader Hits a Breaking Point
The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast
Carey Nieuwhof
4.8 • 2.3K Ratings
🗓️ 17 February 2026
⏱️ 76 minutes
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Summary
Life.Church Senior Pastor Craig Groeschel and his therapist, Dr. Wayne Chappelle, join Carey to talk about a wall Craig hit in ministry, that he thought might k*ll him.
They discuss what was at stake, how he got through it, what happens to leaders who don't take action, and how Craig recovered fully from what almost took him out.
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| 0:00.0 | The Art of Leadership Network. |
| 0:03.0 | I thought, this job will kill me. |
| 0:05.0 | That's what I thought. |
| 0:06.0 | Eventually, I'm just going to die doing it. |
| 0:09.0 | One day it's going to be too much. |
| 0:10.0 | I'm going to drop dead and they're going to be like, |
| 0:12.0 | oh, he was serious. |
| 0:14.0 | See? |
| 0:15.0 | See? |
| 0:16.0 | I'm dead. |
| 0:22.7 | Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. |
| 0:24.1 | I'm so glad you're joining us. |
| 0:26.1 | You may notice this is not the usual set because we are at Life Church and I have Craig Rochelle |
| 0:28.8 | and Dr. Wayne Chappelle with me today. |
| 0:32.1 | Welcome to all of you who are watching. |
| 0:33.7 | All of you who might be watching or listening |
| 0:35.4 | for the very first time. |
| 0:36.5 | We're really, really thrilled that we're here. |
| 0:38.3 | One of the ways that you can help is give us a follow, like, subscribe, and leave a comment on this conversation, which I think is going to be pretty amazing. |
| 0:47.3 | Craig Rochelle, the founding pastor of Life Church, almost 30 years, right? It'll be 30 years. Actually, it will be by the time this airs. |
| 1:01.5 | Three decades. Three decades. Amazing. And Dr. Wayne Chappelle, a new name to a lot of you, but soon I think a household name. We'll see. Has been, what do we call Dr. C? He is a... |
| 1:08.4 | Dr. C. C's a freak of nature. Okay, there you go. |
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