CNLP 785 | Patrick Lencioni Opens Up About His Dark Night of the Soul, How Work Can Heal You, And Leading Next Gen Leaders
The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast
Carey Nieuwhof
4.8 • 2.3K Ratings
🗓️ 12 February 2026
⏱️ 84 minutes
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Patrick Lencioni opens up about his dark night of the soul and his recent five-month sabbatical.
Plus, we discuss how we go to work to heal and the joys and challenges of leading next-gen leaders.
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| 0:00.0 | The Art of Leadership Network. |
| 0:02.9 | It's like being in the ocean, it's dark. |
| 0:07.9 | You don't see any lights. |
| 0:11.9 | And you don't know how long you're going to be out there. |
| 0:19.3 | Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. |
| 0:21.6 | I'm so glad you joined us today. |
| 0:23.3 | And as I always say, I hope our conversation today helps you thrive in life and leadership. |
| 0:28.4 | And, you know, part of thriving is coming back from really difficult periods. |
| 0:32.3 | And today, Patrick Lynchione joins us to talk about something he hasn't written about. |
| 0:36.9 | He hasn't talked about much publicly. |
| 0:39.1 | He had a very recent Dark Night of the Soul, and we go there. It's a very emotional conversation. |
| 0:45.3 | I have appreciated Pat's work for over 25 years. I know a lot of you have as well. |
| 0:50.8 | But what happens when you go through seasons as a leader? So we talk about that. |
| 0:55.1 | We talk about how work can heal you and about the power of leading next-gen leaders. |
| 1:00.8 | This is a no-holds-barred conversation that we had in person. |
| 1:04.8 | I spent a lot of time in Nashville this fall. |
| 1:06.9 | We recorded it in Franklin, Tennessee. |
| 1:09.1 | So if you're watching on YouTube, you'll see it. |
| 1:11.1 | If you're listening, may want to switch to video mode on Spotify or head on over to YouTube and check it out too. |
| 1:16.7 | It's a great conversation. |
| 1:18.5 | Patrick Lanchione, as a lot of you know, is one of the founders of the Table Group and is the pioneer of the organizational health movement. |
| 1:25.8 | He is the author of 13 books, |
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