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And I think some people think, oh, he's drifting leftward, like he's getting sucked into,

and it could not be further from the truth.

Like, I am deeply rooted in the Orthodox teachings of the church and deeply rooted in Scripture.

I have been drifting, though, I realize, and it's drifting backward.

I've not been drifting to the right or the left. I've been drifting, though, I realize, and it's drifting backward. I've not been drifting to the right or left. I've been drifting back into church history.

Welcome to the Kerry Newhoff Leadership Podcast. I hope our time together today helps you thrive in life and leadership today.

I am with John Mark Comer.

A lot of you know who he is. He is the founder and the primary teacher of practicing the way.

New York Times bestselling author. What do we talk about? Well, we talk about him heading into the

desert, okay? 21 days and what it did to him, or basically what it undid in him,

what that means for your life. We also kind of set the record straight. Some people are like,

where are you drifting? You know, to the left, to the right. He's going to set the record straight on this one.

And we also have conversations about quiet and noise and just

how important it is to be still and know that God is God. I know that sounds like a Christian

tourism. Trust me, when you're done with our conversation today, you'll realize it won't be.

So now, without further ado, my conversation in his home, just outside of Malibu, California, my conversation

with John Mark Comer. John Mark, welcome back. Really great to be with you. Thanks for opening up

your home, having a conversation. I was going to say, welcome back. I've been here for a while now.

Yeah, that's right. You've been here for a while, and it's our second time here at your place. You've been here for a while now. Yeah, that's right. You've been here for a while.

And it's our second time here at your place. You've been thinking

a lot about noise.

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