Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

change and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your host

Carrie Newhaw.

Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 297 of the

podcast my name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today

helps you lead like never before I have been so excited to bring you this

episode it's actually been a couple of years in the making,

just the ability to get scheduled together. But every once in a while I get to

interview a living legend and that's how I feel about today's guest.

My guest is Gordon McDonald and he is somebody

who was influencing me back in law school.

That was years ago when I read ordering your private world as a young leader in my

20s it blew me away how we studied it in our small group a whole bunch of

lawyers who were Christians who would meet in our apartment we studied that

when we were in Toronto.

And I met him once briefly before,

but we had the opportunity to spend

the better part of a day together.

And this is the, I think, longest interview I've done.

This is like over an hour and a half and you might be oh my goodness listen you will be so grateful

Gordon is a living legend he has influenced just millions of people he's written or co-authored more than two dozen books.

He's been married for 58 years. He's been in leadership for five decades and as he

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