Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

change and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 240 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff.

I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

So hey, wherever this finds you,

whether you are in a gym somewhere on a treadmill on your bike cooking dinner on a drive on a run on a walk whatever welcome

Glad you're here that's how I listen to my podcast pretty much anytime I'm doing

sort of brainless mindless work try to engage my mind. So love that you have

subscribed love that you're listening. Thank you so much today you will not be

disappointed because my guest is Annie F Down.

She is a best-selling author and a speaker with a massive audience.

So we're getting a little bit controversial and maybe this will

make some of you a little bit sensitive okay I'm just warning you but here's the truth

especially guys guys guess what there are a lot of women who lead who have much bigger audiences than we do.

Okay and the question is are you okay with that? Because a couple weeks ago, we heard from Lisa Turkurs

to a six to eight million people accessing her content

every single day.

In fact, Lisa and I are gonna get together later this spring and I'm going to open up my notebook and learn how she does that.

Annie F Downs has like had 5 million downloads on her podcast. That sounds fun last year alone and so I'm

trying to crack this code I'm trying to be a student rather than be a teacher I'm trying to be a

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