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Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin

Clown of Slipknot

Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin

Rick Rubin

Arts, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2026

⏱️ 118 minutes

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Summary

Michael Shawn Crahan, better known as Clown, is the co-founder and percussionist of Slipknot. Formed in 1995, the metal band rose to popularity with albums like Slipknot and Iowa. As one of the most recognizable names in modern metal, Slipknot has earned 11 Grammy nominations and one win for “Before I Forget” in 2006. Beyond music, Crahan has directed films, created visual art, and overseen many of Slipknot’s creative concepts, including stage design and imagery. ------ Thank you to the sponsors that fuel our podcast and our team: Anthropic https://Claude.com/tetra ------ AG1 https://DrinkAG1.com/tetra ------ Squarespace https://Squarespace.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Athletic Nicotine https://www.AthleticNicotine.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Lectio 365 https://Lectio365.com ------ Sign up to receive Tetragrammaton Transmissions https://www.tetragrammaton.com/join-newsletter

Transcript

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0:00.0

Tetragrammaton

0:02.0

Tetracketka

0:07.0

Teneratin First of all, I'm very blessed, and I keep the company of the most amazing people.

0:31.1

I've always known this, but when you lose some friends, you start taking a good look at life.

0:39.5

And then, you know, like with Joey, I try to explain to people, you know,

0:45.0

because people are really hard on me with Joey because, you know, we separate it, you know,

0:50.4

the band.

0:51.2

And, you know, but human beings don't know the story.

0:57.1

Real friends don't tell it because of love.

1:04.7

And you get older, you start recognizing it. No one in my career has really like stopped me and asked me what the album cover was or why this. You know, I'm not trying to force it down anybody

1:10.7

anymore, you know.

1:11.6

I never was, I just love art.

1:13.6

And that was my job, was to be this, like, visionary sort of, you know,

1:19.6

Paul Gray, the bass player who I started the band with, you know, he always said I was going

1:23.6

to change the face of metal the way it looks, you know? And you did. I didn't recognize that until he was gone. And with Joey, you know, I didn't recognize how great he was and how blessed I was to be in his presence because I was like, yo, you're late. You know, I carried your drum set up. Don't do it again. I'm going to kick it down the stairs.

1:45.4

You know, he's like, I'd like to see it. You know, we were bros. You know, I wasn't. And you were kids. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not stopping. Like, I knew his double bass was sick. I knew it was better than anyone. I know the sex of his fiddles, you know, like they're just sexy and romantic and have so much feeling.

2:07.1

It's not even like a technique.

2:08.5

It's like some sort of, hey, here's a silk handkerchief.

2:12.0

You know, and you're just like, oh, I feel.

2:14.4

I feel good.

2:15.0

So my job has always been to take what I do very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very serious.

2:21.5

Yeah. Almost too serious because. What's too serious? It's hard to say. Too serious is for the norm.

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