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Hi, I'm Otto.

Welcome to Ellen Sarah's podcast.

This episode was developed in partnership with our friends at Chase Sapphire Reserve. Okay, we're live, we're live, we're live. We're not really live. This is going to be an interesting episode for so many reasons, but first and foremost, that we're in the same room together. I'm very used to... I know, it's a little weird. I'm very used to having the distance. I agree. Now that you're not as easy to stare at your phone

when I'm talking now because I'll be seeing you. I know. Yeah. And not as easy to like,

roll your eyes at me. Roll your eyes at you. Give it to you. Disengage. You know, because I told you

Josh has taught me this unbelievable tactic of how to just literally tune you out. It's like

this magical force that he's giving me, and it helps so much, but I can't do that with you

sitting right here. No, that's sweet.

Anyway, you look nice. I do actually. You do. Yeah. We're in person together because...

Should we talk about? Okay, so we're in New York. Our flight did so we're in, we're in New York.

Our flight did get canceled coming here, which is a different story. I think let's tell that story in a minute. We're going to tell that story in a minute. Because it's a long winded story. But while we were in New York, um, we had to record a pot. We get to. We have a very pushy producer. Let's be honest. Some would say pushy. others would say professional. Well, I feel like anytime anyone ever asks you to do your job,

you find it to be pretty pushy. Like, why are you asking me to do this? Alice, it's like, you know you have to have your episode done. We're like, but do we? Yeah. But do we? So Allison said, you know, you really have to record an episode this week.

And we didn't really want to do it in the hotel. The acoustics weren't good. And so... More importantly, the lighting wasn't great. Yeah, it's too dark in there. It's very dark. Love the 22 hotel. But just too dark to record a pod. We need good light. Let's discuss the 22. We will. And our feelings later. And so we decided, let's do something wild.

Let's discuss the 22. We will. And our feelings later. And so we decided, let's do something wild. Let's go to the airport early, to LaGuardia Airport early, and record a podcast in person together at the Chase Sapphire Reserve Lounge that's here. We did. We did. And by the way, I think I want to live here. Well, you're, you have that sort of dilemma, right? You're like, because nobody's trying to get to the airport early. I'm the kind of person. I'm like, some people are. No, no, no. No one I like is doing that. You know what I mean? Like I have now, you do that more. We've had many of fights, a recent one, which we could get into where you felt like my

timing did not align with yours. I'm like, as late as possible. This has changed every,

this has changed everything. Because now I'm kind of like, I'd like to be there early. I'd like to be

there early. I'd like to reset. They have a freaking, uh, sleep lounge situation where you go in, it has this,

you walk in and you instantly are teleported to happiness, which is rare for me.

Zen music. Yeah. I took a little video of you resting there. Yeah. We had like coffee. We got

some work done. And now we asked them, we're like, you're interrupting me.

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