People ask me all the time, you know, what do you think it is?

You know, what is it really?

And we're just not there.

We're not at a point where we can necessarily

draw conclusions on it.

Now, you've said it could be ours.

It could be someone else's on this planet,

or it could be something else that we have

and identify that is either from here, from somewhere else.

The end of the day for me, this is very simple.

It's either a national security aviation safety issue,

and we need to deal with that with the mechanisms we have.

Or it's something else, and we need

to have the scientific integrity and the bravery

to go look at and explore it, regardless of the results.

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It is my pleasure to welcome to the podcast

for our next podcast,

former Navy fighter pilot, engineer by training,

and now founder of Americans for Safe or Aerospace.

Ryan Graves, welcome, Ryan.

Hey, Andrew, thanks for having me here.

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