Hello and welcome back to drilled I'm Amy Lestervell.

This week I'm at Climate Week in New York.

It's strangely the first time I've ever been to Climate Week.

I've been covering Climate for 20 plus years now.

It's been an interesting mix so far, but last night we did a live event

version of our Mad Men season and there's been a lot of talk this week at Climate Week about the

madmen of big oil because UN Secretary General Antonio Gutierrez has been

calling for these madmen to be held to account.

So I figured it was a good time to reprise our season on this subject.

This season initially debuted in 20 and it came about because

We had done this initial season on the history of climate denial and the more I looked into it the more I realized that there had to be something else going on that this could not

have worked as well as it did as quickly as it did if there wasn't something there. The strategy of climate denial is not that brilliant.

And as I started looking for answers, I talked to a lot of scholars like Dr. Robert

Proul at Brown,

Melissa Aronchek at Rutgers, lots of folks.

And the more I learned about the way

that pro-fossil fuel propaganda

had been shaped, the more it all made sense.

That season focused on key figures in the PR industry,

but the fossil fuel industry has worked

to shape information in general from all sides. You heard our episode last week on

university research, that's one way. You heard us talk to Maddie Stone earlier in the

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