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Moral Maze

Cleaning the Internet

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.4623 Ratings

🗓️ 24 March 2022

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

For a brief moment this month Ukrainians were allowed to call for the death of Vladimir Putin on Instagram and Facebook. That freedom was subsequently withdrawn – “hate speech” isn’t tolerated on those platforms after all. But can Ukrainians really be expected to hold back on how they feel about the Russian military? And maybe we, as bystanders, could do with seeing that anger expressed without the filter of online ‘etiquette’ policies devised by a Silicon Valley CEO. Maybe our rage about Mariupol is all we’ve got, so is it wrong to share it. How should we strike the right balance between reason and raw emotion, without on the one hand caring too little, or on the other hand losing perspective.

The trouble is, if we allow ‘hate speech’ about the Russian President, where do we then draw the line? And what about propaganda, misinformation and conspiracy theories. The social media platforms spend millions on trying to sort truth from lies, but why should it be an internet company that gets to decide? The just-published Online Safety Bill sets out plans to punish internet companies for failing to censor material that is ‘legal but harmful’. The aim is to protect us from the effects of dark images and suggestions. But is it foolish to imply that we can make the internet ‘safe’. And if we agree that the internet will always be dangerous, shouldn’t we cultivate a healthy suspicion of it, rather than a misplaced trust in its moderators. Might it not it be better, and more moral, to teach our children – and trust our fellow-citizens – to think for themselves? With digital researcher Ellen Judson; CEO of Index on Censorship Ruth Smeeth; internet safety expert Will Gardner and former teacher and author Joanna Williams.

Produced by Olive Clancy

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:05.0

Good evening. If you were quick, you could have gone on to Facebook last week and called for the assassination of a head of state.

0:11.3

The social media moguls suspended their ban on hate speech if it was directed at Vladimir Putin,

0:16.6

or indeed his soldiers who are terrorising Ukraine. The reasoning was unexplained.

0:21.8

Presumably they felt the circumstances redefined hate as righteous anger,

0:26.2

and the decision was swiftly reversed.

0:28.3

But it underscored the growing anxieties about the Internet

0:31.4

and how it should be regulated.

0:33.5

An online safety bill has just been published here,

0:36.7

which seeks to punish Internet companies who fail to censor material that might be legal, but is reckoned to be harmful, a tricky moral distinction.

0:45.2

The idea is that we need protecting from the darkness, the lies and the bile lurking in the corners of the web, and it's the companies themselves that should do it.

0:54.6

But is it a fallacy to think the internet could ever be made completely safe?

0:58.5

Who should decide what is harmful?

1:00.6

Could the big tech companies really be trusted to police themselves?

1:04.8

And the wider question, whether it's hatred and conspiracies online

1:08.9

or children addicted to and depressed by their smartphones,

1:13.2

isn't it our responsibility to think for ourselves and be more effective parents?

1:18.3

That's the moral maze tonight.

1:19.5

The panel, Melanie Phillips, social commentator at the Times, Mona Siddiqui, professor of Islamic and interreligious studies at Edinburgh University,

1:25.8

and McClevoy's senior editor at The Economist and the Priest and Poremesist, Giles Fraser.

1:31.1

Mona, are we right to worry so much about online harm?

1:36.5

Well, I think the internet is a massive technology that's only going to grow in power and in influence.

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