And I'm and Welcome to Food for Thought, an award-winning podcast that explores and celebrates what it means to live

a life motivated and defined by unconditional compassion and optimal wellness.

My name is Colleen Patrick Godro.

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Dispersed between and among our regular episodes of Food for Thought are special episodes in which I sit down with other animal advocates

to talk about what it means to be a voice for those whose voices we need to hear and

how to change the world for other animals.

On today's episode, I am pleased to welcome Paul Shapiro,

a long-time animal advocate,

and author of his first book, Clean Meat.

So welcome everybody.

I hope you're doing wonderfully well. You may recall I

chatted with Paul on my Animology podcast about the semantics of meat which is

a fascinating conversation if I do say so myself, about how our words about meat and dairy and eggs shape our thinking,

about what we eat and about how we treat the animals who were raised for meat dairy and eggs.

It's a really interesting topic and I encourage you to go listen to that on Animology Podcast.

But today we're still talking about meat, but this time we're talking about clean meat.

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