Classic: Is our mind really more than mere matter? Keith Ward and David Papinaeu

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🗓️ 17 March 2026

⏱️ 63 minutes

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In this replay we bring together Christian Philosopher & Theologian Keith Ward and atheist Professor of Philosophy from King's College London, David Papinaeu to unpack the question "Is our mind more than matter"? Ward believes that the brain is accompanied by an immaterial mind, while Papinaeu believes the brain and the mind to be one in the same - with nothing immaterial about it. What do you think? This episode originally aired on: 14 Jan 2012 Get bonus content, updates, fascinating articles, and early access to new episodes - absolutely free! Join now at www.premierunbelievable.com Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://www.premier.plus/unbelievable Support us: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/geolink/donate Social Links Instagram: https://instagram.com/premierunbelievable Facebook: https://facebook.com/premierunbelievable Tik Tok: https://tiktok.com/@premier.unbelievable X: https://x.com/UnbelievableFE

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1:07.2	I'm Ruth Jackson and this week we're delving back into the archives to bring you a discussion
1:11.8	on the question. Get the grey matter thinking today is our mind more than matter?
1:17.4	Let's jump in on today's discussion. Well first of all a warm welcome to you Keith. It's been
1:26.1	a long time since we had you on the program. I think the last
1:29.8	time talking about things like theistic evolution and that sort of thing. Some time back. But you're back
1:37.1	with us today and we're talking about the area of philosophy of mind. Is the mind more than matter?
1:43.1	But tell us a little bit of your
1:44.6	background. You're a Christian philosopher, and you've pretty much been in this area all of your
1:49.5	academic life, really, haven't you? Yes, I have. I was a philosopher before I was a Christian,
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